Joined: June 2009
|Quote (didymos @ July 06 2009,03:26)|
|Vivid stakes out his position|
For something to come from nothing it must, in effect, create itself. Self creation is a logical and therefore rationally [sic] impossibility. For something to create itself, it must have the ability to be and not be at the same tmie [sic] and in the same relationship. For something to create itself it must be before it is. Something can be self existent without violating logic, but it cannot be self created.
Several comments later:
To say that something that comes into existence from nothing ie without a cause violates the law of non contradiction AND is a form of self creation. It does not rely on self creation for its validity. One could just say it violates the law of non contradiction if they wanted to.
Dude, you really suck at non-contradiction.
True, they are in fact experts in contradiction sometimes even within the same sentence.