MichaelJ
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| Quote (didymos @ July 06 2009,03:26) | Vivid stakes out his position
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For something to come from nothing it must, in effect, create itself. Self creation is a logical and therefore rationally [sic] impossibility. For something to create itself, it must have the ability to be and not be at the same tmie [sic] and in the same relationship. For something to create itself it must be before it is. Something can be self existent without violating logic, but it cannot be self created. |
Several comments later:
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To say that something that comes into existence from nothing ie without a cause violates the law of non contradiction AND is a form of self creation. It does not rely on self creation for its validity. One could just say it violates the law of non contradiction if they wanted to. |
Dude, you really suck at non-contradiction. |
True, they are in fact experts in contradiction sometimes even within the same sentence.
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