franky172
Posts: 158
Joined: Jan. 2007
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| Quote | | In Franky's scheme all male descedants of x, including x also sit at the top node/ level. |
What does it mean to "sit at the top node"? That the set D(sam) includes all of Sam's descendents? I agree.
| Quote | | But is that scheme a nested hierarchy? |
I have asked you on several offasions to answer whether or not you think the scheme is a nested hierarchy. You refuse to answer. Why is that?
| Quote | With a paternal family tree the sets are determined by ONE AND ONLY ONE criterion- "who's your daddy?"
Hierarchical levels: levels are populated by entities whose properties characterize the level in question.
Note the word "properties". |
I will ask again: your argument appears to be that a nested hierarchy can not be formed using a single relationship, because this is not plural "properties". Is this a valid restatement of your argument?
| Quote | | Note the words "set of definitions" |
I will ask again: your argument appeats to be that a nested hierarchy can not be formed using a single relationship, because this is not a plural "definitions". Is this a valid restatement of your argument?
| Quote | The ordering of levels: there are several criteria whereby other levels reside above lower levels.
Note the words "several criteria". |
I will ask again: your argument appeats to be that a nested hierarchy can not be formed using a single relationship, because this is not a plural "several criteria". Is this a valid restatement of your argument?
To re-iterarte- With a paternal family tree levels are determined by ONE and only ONE criterion- “Who’s your daddy?”
| Quote | | Now in a scheme of all male descendants of x, including x what would be the properties that characterize the level in question? |
The level in question is the set of all descendents of x.
| Quote | | What are the set of definitions that lock a level in question to those above and below it? |
Above: "direct male ancestor of"
| Quote | | What are the several criteria whereby other levels reside above lower levels? |
Below: "direct male descendant of"
| Quote | | And for the clincher- what is done to the male descendants that are born of female descendants? How are they tied to the top level? |
I don't understand your question or it's relevance.
| Quote | | Questions like these arise and usually go unanswered when people, who don't know what they are doing, try to establish something anyway. |
This is true, but not in the way you intend.
| Quote | | In your scenario D(sam) would really be D(sam, sam’s first son, sam’s first grandson). So we would have D(sam, sam’s first son, sam’s first grandson)-> D(sam’s first son, sam’s first grandson)-> D(sam’s first grandson). |
I do not understand your statement. What does it mean for D(sam) to "really be" D(sam, sam's first son, ...)? What does it mean for a definition of a set to "really be" something else?
| Quote | | Either way it demonstrates that it is a waste of time trying to discuss this with you. |
I noticed that I answered all of the questions you have posed to me, and you have steadfastly refused to answer all of the questions posed to you. Simple "yes" "no" answers will suffice, Joe.
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