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Mike PSS



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 23 2006,19:18   

Quote (afdave @ Dec. 23 2006,19:26)
When all else fails ... call 'em liars and psychoanalyze 'em!

:D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D

How about drown them in details.  Lets see where we stand.
 
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UPDATED HYPOTHESIS
A. There is a God -- My hypothesis proposes that there is a Super Intelligent, Incredibly Powerful Being -- I choose to call him God -- who has knowledge of scientific laws far more advanced than anything ever discovered by 21st Century humans.  These scientific laws are so powerful that this Being can literally "speak" material things into existence and destroy things with a simple command.  This Being lives "outside of time" and can view what we call "the future" and "the past" with equal ease.

Can't argue with this one.  I think you have "proven" A just with this statement.

 
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B. This God created the Cosmos as a specially designed whole, with life and mankind as its fundamental goal and purpose.  This God created mankind with a choice of either doing his will or not doing his will, in a similar way as parents "create" babies knowing full well that their child will either do their will or not do their will.  Christian Theologians commonly call the choice of NOT doing God's will "sin."

Ahhhh.  AFDave as the messenger of "his" God.  Notice the first words.  Still no arguments about this.  I look at B. as an embellishment to A.

 
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C. All of human kind descended from two genetically rich parents, Adam and Eve, but did not diversify significantly due to minimal geographic isolation.  My hypothesis proposes that there was only one large "super-continent" prior to the Great Flood of Noah, thus minimizing geographic isolation and resultant natural selection and specialization/diversification.  The same applies to animals except that I make no proposal as to HOW MANY animals there were initially.  Obviously, there would have to be at least one pair of each 'kind' (a term to be defined later)

And here is where Dave is stuck.  We have (AFAI can remember)....
Adam and Eve as genetic source - Not discussed yet.
Great Flood - Rebuked and proven wrong.
Single continent before the flood - Not discussed yet.
Discussion of kinds - Mentioned but Not discussed yet.

 
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D. Early man was created perfectly, i.e. no deleterious genetic mutations.  It is proposed that early man was vigorous, healthy and possibly taller than modern humans.  Early families were very large--on the order of 30 to 50 kids per couple and lives were long, many over 900 years.  Sons routinely married their sisters in the ante-diluvian world with no worries of genetic defects.  The first laws prohibiting close marriages did not occur until the time of Moses by which time we assume that accumulated harmful genetic mutations would have been a significant consideration.

Part D is bad for Dave so far.  We have....
Early man was (genetically perfect, taller, fecund, aged, defect free even within family) - Not discussed yet.
In fact the ante-diluvian world is rarely mentioned.  Why?
Genetic Mutations/Richness - Trashed

 
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E. Mankind chose NOT to do God's will very early on (just as all young children choose not to do parents' will), thus prompting God to institute a system for persuading humans to admit their folly and begin doing His will, for "redeeming" humans who choose this path, and for reminding humans that the present physical world is only a "proving ground" or "training camp" for the next world which will be created at a definite point in the future.  These events are commonly called the Fall and the Curse by Christian Theologians.

More Theology mixed in with Dave's apparent insight into the "Mind of God" (or "his God" would be more correct).  Still more embellishment to Part A.  Not Discussed Yet.

 
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F. God allowed the choices of mankind to take their natural course for the most part, intervening in the affairs of men sporadically and briefly.  Most of the "day-to-day management" of Planet Earth was delegated to mankind himself, similar to how modern parents delegate the day-to-day management of their children to a school or a day care center.

More embellishment with miracles sprinkled here and there.  Is this supposed to be the ante-diluvian world here?

 
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G. The natural result of collective disobedience to the revealed will of God was an extremely corrupt society--i.e. rampant dishonesty, injustice, murder, theft, etc.--which was terminated by God through the agency of a global, life-destroying flood--the Flood of Noah described in Genesis.

What a wonderful story retold for us here.  Fire and brimstone, dishonesty and murder, finally a flood.  Quite the gripping tale.  

 
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H. The Global Flood of Noah was an immense cataclysm of enormous tectonic, volcanic and hydraulic upheaval.  It completely reshaped the ante-diluvian world and resulted in massive, worldwide sedimentation and fossilization, mountain range uplift, sea basin lowering, continent separation, and climate change.  The Flood was survived in a floating ark by 8 humans (four couples) and one or more pairs of terrestrial, air-breathing, genetically rich animals and birds. The diversity we see in the living world today is the result of subsequent geographic separation and isolation of species and natural selection.

Ooooops....  We just went off the deep end here.
Global Flood - disproven in Oh so many ways
The Ark - disproven in so many more ways
Genetically Rich - shot down so far.  Still some discussion left in this one.
And the genetic dispersion tale - shot down so far but still open for more discussion.

 
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I. Following the Global Flood, we hypothesize an Ice Age of undetermined duration brought on by the massive climate changes induced by the Flood.  It was during this time that the dinosaurs and many other species died out. Since the time of the Ice Age, the structure of the earth's crust and the climate which followed, has not changed appreciably, and uniformitarian principles may now be applied to geological studies.

Ah, more claims.  We have....
Ice Age - Not really discussed yet.  Only mentioned.
Dinosaurs - Not discussed yet.
Plates whizzing about - soundly refuted
Uniformitarian vs. Catastrophism - A red herring discussion.

 
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J. We hypothesize a supernatural intervention by God at the Tower of Babel which instantly and miraculously created several new languages (we think on the order of 12 or so), whereas prior to this event, there was only one language.

Back to the story telling via magic and miracles.  Except...
All language roots at the Tower of Babel - Not discussed yet.

 
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K. The record of these events (except the Ice Age) was dictated to selected individuals such as Adam and Seth and their descendants and carefully recorded on stone tablets, then passed down to successive generations.  Moses eventually received these stone tablets (or copies of them) and composed the book we now call Genesis by compiling these records into one written document.  He then composed his own written record of the events of his own lifetime, resulting in the complete Pentateuch.

More stories of what happened.

 
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L. God personally dictated the events of the Creation week to the first man, Adam, but then assumed a less active role in the composition of the balance of Genesis and the balance of what is now commonly called the Christian Scriptures.  This role varied from active dictation in an audible voice to less obvious methods--we might call it "planting of thoughts" in the minds of the writers.  This collective process is commonly called the "Inspiration of Scripture" by Christian Theologians.

Chapter 23 or so of the story so far.  I hope everyone is keeping up on this.

 
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M. Many cultures in geographically diverse locations around the world have legends which follow the general outline above.  The reason for the variance we find in the legends is that many of them are simply oral traditions passed down through the generations without the benefit of scrupulous copying of written records that the Christian Scriptures have enjoyed.  Since the Documentary Hypothesis (Graf-Wellhausen Theory) has now been thoroughly discredited, we have good reason to revert to the previously well established hypothesis that Genesis is NOT oral tradition, but rather it is a carefully copied written record of eye-witness accounts.

A claim about Graf-Wellhausen Theory - Not discussed yet.


 
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N. The Christian Scriptures, i.e. the 66 books of what is commonly called the Holy Bible, are essentially the WRITTEN record of what this Super-Intelligent, Super-Powerful Creator God wanted mankind to know about Himself, His Creation, and His Plans for the Future.

Dave again reveals his personnal expertise with this story.  However....
Inerrent Bibles - Under discussion, Dave has to answer the latest challanges.

 
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O. Jesus of Nazareth is the single most influential human being to ever walk Planet Earth.  Also, there are over 300 specific prophecies concerning a supposed "Messiah" figure throughout the Jewish Scriptures -- what Christians call the Old Testament.  These prophecies "just happen" to all converge in the life of one man of history--Jesus of Nazareth. We hypothesize that this Jesus of Nazareth was (and is) the Creator God in human form, just as he claimed to be.

Ahhh, the prophesies in the OT.
Tyre - disproven.
Others - under discussion or not yet discussed.

 
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P. The Christian Scriptures consisting of the Jewish Scriptures plus what is commonly called the New Testament are the most basic and foundational collection of documents for all of mankind's activities on Planet Earth--from scientific endeavor to family activities to government structure.  They also are the only reliable source documents for knowing the future of Planet Earth and Mankind in relation to it.  As such, these Scriptures should be the basis and starting point for all human activities from individual behaviour to family operation to nation building and governance of human affairs to scientific endeavors and the arts.

The story as the basis for life, the universe, and everything.  We have a couple points....
American as Christian Nation - under discussion but Dave has to respond to some hard eveidence counterring this.
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Wow Dave.  A bunch of claims that you either have not discussed or have been totally handed your A$$.  Let's see where you went wrong....
Great Flood - Rebuked and proven wrong.
Genetic Mutations/Richness - Trashed
Global Flood - disproven in Oh so many ways
The Ark - disproven in so many more ways
Plates whizzing about - soundly refuted
Uniformitarian vs. Catastrophism - A red herring discussion.
Tyre - disproven.


And here is where your flounderring about...
Genetically Rich - shot down so far.  Still some discussion left in this one.
And the genetic dispersion tale - shot down so far but still open for more discussion.
Inerrent Bibles - Under discussion, Dave has to answer the latest challanges.
Others (prophesies) - under discussion or not yet discussed.
American as Christian Nation - under discussion but Dave has to respond to some hard eveidence counterring this.


And here is where Dave has yet to venture....
Adam and Eve as genetic source - Not discussed yet.
Single continent before the flood - Not discussed yet.
Discussion of kinds - Mentioned but Not discussed yet.
Early man was (genetically perfect, taller, fecund, aged, defect free even within family) - Not discussed yet.
In fact the ante-diluvian world is rarely mentioned.  Why?
Ice Age - Not really discussed yet.  Only mentioned.
Dinosaurs - Not discussed yet.
All language roots at the Tower of Babel - Not discussed yet.
A claim about Graf-Wellhausen Theory - Not discussed yet.

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And there you have the UCGH so far.  I hope to see more discussion on this topic in the new year.

Merry Xmas Everyone.

Mike PSS

  
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