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|Quote (afdave @ May 01 2006,126)|
|This is exactly what I see in this one critical area of science today, i.e. the area of Origins and the Nature of Mankind and the issue of God. Science should not be claiming that they have disproved the existence of God because they have not. Science should not be implying to our children that they are glorified animals, because there is no proof. Science should not be telling the theologians that God is dead or irrelevant, because they have no basis for claiming that and they arrogantly claim that they do. And so on ... you get the idea. So if science is going to behave irresponsibly, then who else but non-scientists are going to have to jump in and "blow the whistle" ??|
This is exactly what you see going on right now on multiple fronts and it is exactly the reason we hear so much about "concerned scientists."
Now we laymen are reasonable people and we will forgive scientists if they admit their errors and fix them, but if all we ever get is stonewalling and "you're not even fit to make an argument" and "you're just a religious nut", you can be sure that the people will do everything in their power to rise up and fix it themselves.
And believe me, we laymen can do a lot. I may not get professional scientists to listen to me, but as you and I both know, all we need is a political majority and we win. Not to say that I'm just about politics. I am about Truth and Fairness, but I am also about winning and using every political tool in my toolbox to make sure we have Truth and Fairness in the science establishment in this country.
A lot hinges on this, too. What people think about origins and the nature of mankind is VITALLY important to law and society. This is why you see me being so passionate about this issue.
Now the mask is coming off:
Science should not be claiming that they have disproved the existence of God because they have not.
I will be charitable and assume you really believe this. If that's the case, you are sadly, sadly mistaken and have been taken in by the lies of your fellow creationists.
"Science" doesn't and cannot claim to have disproved the existence of God. That would be impossible. Once again, many good, honest and hard working scientists are committed Christians and would be insulted to hear such nonsense.
Science should not be implying to our children that they are glorified animals, because there is no proof.
What the heck is a "glorified animal"? Either way, this is nonsense. Forget evolution. Try basic anatomy. What, apart from a bigger brain, do we have that separates us from the rest of the animal kingdom? Nothing. Even if you believe in some sort of supernatual soul, we are still mammals and primates. Like it or lump it.
Science should not be telling the theologians that God is dead or irrelevant, because they have no basis for claiming that and they arrogantly claim that they do. And so on ...
Again, this is an utter lie. You should know better. There are a few scientists, like Richard Dawkins (no doubt your favourite devil), who are outspoken on this issue, but even he would not claim what you say he does. Again, science cannot do this. Some scientists do, but that is not the same thing. Any reasonable person should understand this. There are thousands of Christian biologists and geologists who accept evolution. Are you trying to insult each and every one of them?
With posts like this I suspect you are beginning to wear out your welcome here. Why should we even bother to listen to you when even your motivations are based on such an obvious falsehood?