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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 27 2006,06:13   

Dave on the supernatural:
Iím not aware of any facet of life on this planet that requires supernatural powers.

Apparently Dave has forgotten that CSI can't be produced by natural processes. †Will Dembski get banned if he tries to correct Dave?

Supernatural powers - not constrained by physical laws of nature.

Great. †Now if he can just tell us how to distinguish natural laws from supernatural laws, we'll be all set.

A supernatural eventÖ

Being in two places at once. Exceeding the speed of light. Traveling backward in time. Changing history after the fact. Causing matter/energy to appear from nothing. Causing instantaneous action at a distance. Suspending the passage of time.

Those sort of things. On a macroscopic scale. Iím aware that at the quantum scale some strange things can happen but they donít translate into significance in the larger world.

Many quantum events most definitely are significant on the macroscopic scale. †So, according to Dave, they're supernatural, and therefore don't exist.

The nature of nature is all the matter and energy in the observable universe acted on by a set of four physical forces - the strong force, the weak force, the electromagnetic force, and gravity the consequences of which are reducible to calculation if enough information about the state of the system is known. I suspect sentient intelligence is an emergent property the consequences of which are not reducible to calculation (sentient intelligence is where free will comes into play in the universe).

1) Dave sees only natural phenomena in the universe.
2) Natural phenomena consist of matter and the four fundamental forces, which are reducible to calculation
3) Intelligence is an emergent property
4) Yet intelligence is not reducible to calculation


"I wasn't aware that classical physics had established a position on whether intelligent agents exercising free were constrained by 2LOT into increasing entropy." -DaveScot

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