JAM
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| Quote (Daniel Smith @ Feb. 14 2008,11:07) | | Quote (JAM @ Feb. 13 2008,23:22) | | Quote (Daniel Smith @ Feb. 13 2008,19:37) | | ...What you are looking at here is Schindewolf's breakdown of the splitting off of the heterocorals from the pterocorals. Like the suture line in ammonites, he uses the septal structure in the corals to retrace their evolution. |
But where's the EVIDENCE that the septal structure or suture lines are genetically determined? |
Where's the evidence that they're not? |
In the former case, in the primary literature on intraspecific (even intracolonial) variation in live corals, of course. Do you finally see what I mean about Schindewolf's hypothesis making testable empirical predictions?
How much variation is caused by environmental factors, BTW?
| Quote | | They're definitely inherited from generation to generation. |
You are a compulsive liar, Dan. Only a profoundly dishonest person would label an aggressively ignorant guess with "definitely."
Besides, even if the differences are inherited, how much INTRAspecific genetic variation is known to exist in living corals?
If I'm wrong, I eagerly await your pointing me to the evidence that convinced you that these were "definitely" inherited.
| Quote | | Quote | | Why do you think I keep asking you how many base changes are required to change the identity of a vertebra, a much more complex structure than either of these? |
To change the subject after your embarassing attempt to falsify Schindewolf by "evidence" you refused to back up. |
I did back it up, and I've been asking you the question long before that.
Do you see how your desperate claim that these matters I keep bringing up (your fantasy "hind limb genes," "tail genes," and the amount of genetic change required to produce complex phenotypic changes) aren't related to Schindewolf's BS hypothesis is completely false?
| Quote | | Quote | | Quote | | Notice the transition from 'b to c' and 'b to f', |
So how many mutations are required for this transition? How many mutations are required for the transition between a cervical vertebra and a thoracic one with ribs? |
You tell me -- you're the expert. |
Zero.
Now tell me exactly how you know that the septal differences Schindewolf wrote about were "definitely inherited." It can't possibly be an innocent mistake when you emphasize it with "definitely;" it's a desperate attempt to lie to yourself while you are lying to others.
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Why would single mutations yield "gradual, smooth transitions" anyway? |
So you've found Schindewolf's mechanism.
Bully for you! |
I didn't find the mechanism, it was known long before he wrote his book. That's why his hypothesis was DOA.
If this puzzles you, look at a junior-high-level biology textbook for a refresher, since your vapor-locked brain doesn't function well enough to get my joke about "brutha Greg."
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