VMartin
Posts: 525
Joined: Nov. 2006
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Erasmus
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You fool, you believe that only humans think?
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I have supposed that insects are driven by instincts. But if you are sure that insects and especially ants "think" I have nothing to say.
Anyway your opinion about a "thinking ant" is a brand new theory I dare say.
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Do you think visual display is the only sort of mimicry?
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But it was you who claimed the same in the next sentence:
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I have seen spiders beetles and hemiptera that look just like ants and that live in ant colonies.
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I have asked you it first btw. How are you sure that such a "visual" mimicry is perceived as a mimicry by ants' antennae in the dark of an anthill? They use touch, not look.
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Speaking of anthropomorphic projection, what is dark to you is dark to all? Someone should tell the burrowing salamanders.
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We are discussing ants' mimics now. Do you suggest that ants use vision in anthill and are decepted by their vision there?
But as far as I underestand your point of view you don't care about point 2 and 3. Any similarity is a mimicry for you. Even if we accept a fact that some spiders looks like ants to us (I am speaking about humans and our vision, not about ants and their way of perception)
the question remains: what was the driving force of such similarity?
Obviously you do agree that it was not natural selection -or am I wrong? Because you have written:
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With a few exceptions most working biologists have realized that many things are invisible to selection and not every feature of the natural world has been forged in the fire of selection.
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I fully agree. In the case of ants and their "mimics" (as well as wasps and their mimics and ladybirds and their mimics) natural selection play no role whatsever.
Because: to look like an ant, wasp or ladybird brings no "survival advantage".
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What is your point anyway, other than making an ass out of yourself?
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My point is as you wrote it - natural selection play no role in evolution of "warning coloration" - aposematism and NS play no role in mimicry. I think that you agree with me. It's fine even though you are such an ignorant in the interesting cases of coloration of insects.
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I could not answer, but should maintain my ground.-
Charles Darwin
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