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| Quote (tsig @ May 01 2014,12:33) | | Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ April 29 2014,02:32) | | Quote (CeilingCat @ April 27 2014,15:23) | Paul Giem writes: | Quote | | I have seen some claim, with some plausibility, that LINE elements may have something to do with original sin. |
Mr. Giem is the author of Scientific Theology. |
Giem is an M.D., perhaps most famous for opining that Barbara Forrest could use some Haldol or something while complaining about incivility on the part of pro-science advocates. |
Nothing like assuming what you're going to prove:
The fact is that the existence of science argues strongly for an [33] ordering principle in the universe, which we may call God,and which we may at least partly comprehend. To argue otherwise is, quite frankly, absurd, and those who do so do not believe their own rhetoric. You don’t catch them fasting for prolonged periods in the belief that this time nature will not require food as usual, or chaining themselves to the ground in case they should no longer be attracted to the earth. I find the case against the existence of God very weak indeed. The first thing we can learn from nature is that the universe is orderly, and requires an ordering principle. |
This is very nearly the weakest of all possible arguments for the existence of god(s).
It also has a sting in its tail that theists are unlikely care for.
We can logically deduce that the ordering principle is itself orderly, and thus requires an ordering principle for itself.
The conditions under which an ordering principle can be applied are inherently orderly and thus require an ordering principle prior to the ordering principle being asserted in the theological claim.
If they care to reject the applicability of the 'argument' when directed towards their deity of choice, the identical grounds suffice for rejecting its applicability to the universe.
Of course, there is no need to argue against the existence of god(s) until and unless a successful argument for their existence is produced. Despite millennia of efforts, no such argument has been produced.
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