Badger3k
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| Quote (Schroedinger's Dog @ May 26 2012,10:38) | | Quote (Kattarina98 @ May 26 2012,17:09) | | Quote (utidjian @ May 25 2012,20:18) | ...
One thing I do NOT do is ask a woman (or any person for that matter) that doesn't even know my name or who I am, at 4AM, alone on an elevator, in a foreign country, who I have listened to speak all day, and most of the night about objectification of women and how it really turns women off, who has said they are tired and going to bed because they have a long day tomorrow, up to my room for a little chat over coffee.
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Exactly!
Much has been said which I won't repeat. Just to clarify even more for those who can't understand why the situation is not comparable to a woman asking a man to have a cup of coffee:
It's not just about saying "no" to a creep - that's easy. But women have to carefully assess this specific situation: How should they say it? Too firm - that could make him aggressive. Too friendly - he might take it for an invitation to press harder.
And what if he doesn't take "no" for an answer - could he try to rape her?
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For the record, no one at ERV's questionned RW's experience and video until it was conflated by pharyngulites into a serious rape threat and anyone disagreeing with that view was a misogynistic MRA. But I'm repeating myself here.
Again, as said a few posts above, RW was totally justified and in her right to feel creeped out and make that video. This, at least, is my position, as well as that of many other ERV commenters.
Lou: EG never came out with his side of the story, and many have wondered if he even existed. Even if he didn't, the allegory would still stand as far as obnoxious behavior at atheist meetings go.
To note, ERV's slimepit has become a reference thread for FTB's double standards and hyporcisy, adorned with various direct links and quotes. That this might not be welcome I can understand, but it needs to be done. ERV's is to FTB as AtBC is to UD. Anyone disagreeing with this should explain why and provide links and quotes.
Short exemple?:
| Quote | Abbie Smith is in denial. Now, in addition to implying that Sb crew at FtB are responsible for shutting down the slimepit, she claims I’ve been lying about the imminent changes.
NatGeo have been just fine. Not being sarcastic. PZ was blatantly *lying* about censorship from NatGeo last year.
So I said NatGeo would be lightly censoring content last year. This year, NatGeo is telling Abbie Smith to censor some offensive posts. Therefore, in Abbie Smith’s world, I was lying when I said NatGeo would be asking us to censor some content.
I don’t get it. |
PZ at http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyng....omments
NatGeo didn't censor anything from Abbie. Nothing in over 3 days. Why PZ's blog comments are not there yet I can only assume comes from the shift in format.
But the one person initiating the complain to NatGeo, as well as a letter to Abbie's department head is none other than Greg Laden, who is on, wait for it, FTB! Go and rationalize that... |
I'd like to say I was surprised by the last bit, but that fits with Laden's personality. If there was anyone who deserves "shit stain", he's the one.
A lot of the brouhaha came up after the "this is equal to rape" meme came up. Watson had every right to be creeped out, and every right to ask, not order as some take it, to not do that. Other women also have the right to disagree with her (which is where some of the problems came up, which I think led to Stef (? I think) being labeled as parroting misogynist thought in RWs speech. I got into it because of the unprofessional behavior and intentional sliming of a student by a speaker. It's just poor form.
But it rapidly spiraled out of control by certain people trolling for attention (quotes are out there available), as well as the typical knee-jerk tribalism of some people. That and a lack of skeptical appraisal of some core beliefs of people, as well as the rampant hypocrisy of some others. Anyway, that's my opinion, although I haven't kept up with it - I've just skipped over the usual suspects since they're like a Mooney post - all sound and no substance, just a sermon for the faithful. You can't have a discussion with the extremists unwilling to even look at their own position since they know they're right.
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"Just think if every species had a different genetic code We would have to eat other humans to survive.." : Joe G
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