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guthrie Posts: 696 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 29 2006,22:57    Thats a nice quote, it sums up the problem that ID proponents have, and how they have no room to manouvre.  If they get all metaphysical, they lose any hope of a wider appeal, and they cannot actually get more scientific, because it involves lots of work and may be impossible.

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