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In the Expert, Smexpert thread, bevets gives us the most importent reason for ignoring an expert: | Quote | 4
bevets
04/05/2010 4:07 pm
When the expert contradicts the Word of God.
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Seversky calls him on this: | Quote | 8
Seversky
04/05/2010 4:29 pm
bevets @ 4
When the expert contradicts the Word of God.
“Tis a dangerous thing to engage the authority of scripture in disputes about the natural world in opposition to reason; lest time, which brings all things to light, should discover that to be evidently false which we had made scripture assert.”
Telluris theoria sacra, Reverend Thomas Burnett (1635-1715) |
But bevets has a Ready Reply: | Quote | 9
bevets
04/05/2010 4:33 pm
Nothing is to be accepted save on the authority of Scripture, since greater is that authority than all the powers of the human mind. ~ Augustine
Whoever takes another meaning out of Scripture than the writer intended, goes astray, but not through any falsehood in Scripture. ~ Augustine |
Seversky notes that bevet has not relied on the Word of God and re-replys: | Quote | 10
Seversky
04/05/2010 4:51 pm
If it’s Augustine you want:
Usually, even a non-Christian knows something about the earth, the heavens, and the other elements of this world, about the motion and orbit of the stars and even their size and relative positions, about the predictable eclipses of the sun and moon, the cycles of the years and the seasons, about the kinds of animals, shrubs, stones, and so forth, and this knowledge he hold to as being certain from reason and experience. Now, it is a disgraceful and dangerous thing for an infidel to hear a Christian, presumably giving the meaning of Holy Scripture, talking nonsense on these topics; and we should take all means to prevent such an embarrassing situation, in which people show up vast ignorance in a Christian and laugh it to scorn. The shame is not so much that an ignorant individual is derided, but that people outside the household of faith think our sacred writers held such opinions, and, to the great loss of those for whose salvation we toil, the writers of our Scripture are criticized and rejected as unlearned men. If they find a Christian mistaken in a field which they themselves know well and hear him maintaining his foolish opinions about our books, how are they going to believe those books in matters concerning the resurrection of the dead, the hope of eternal life, and the kingdom of heaven, when they think their pages are full of falsehoods and on facts which they themselves have learnt from experience and the light of reason? Reckless and incompetent expounders of Holy Scripture bring untold trouble and sorrow on their wiser brethren when they are caught in one of their mischievous false opinions and are taken to task by those who are not bound by the authority of our sacred books. For then, to defend their utterly foolish and obviously untrue statements, they will try to call upon Holy Scripture for proof and even recite from memory many passages which they think support their position, although they understand neither what they say nor the things about which they make assertion. [My emphases] |
Clive then joins in, just to make sure everybody knows he can still miss the point completely: | Quote | 12
Clive Hayden
04/05/2010 5:00 pm
Seversky,
Of course your quote of Augustine begs the question doesn’t it, for it presumes (in your mind) that whatever it is still under discussion between the Christian and the others is already known, and that the Christian is already known to have been in error, but this is the very thing that is being debated, and it won’t do as a conclusion to assume the answer is already given, when it isn’t. If an argument over evolution or the like were really settled, your quote would be appropriate, but since it is still in debate, the argument (as you intended from this quote) is to beg the question.
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bevets re-joins the conversation, still forsaking the Word of God for the Words of a Man: | Quote | 13
bevets
04/05/2010 5:02 pm
For though God formed man of the dust of the earth, yet the earth itself, and every earthly material, is absolutely created out of nothing: and man’s soul, too, God created out of nothing, and joined to the body, when He made man. City of God 14.11 |
BatShit77 then wanders into the conversation from somewhere way out in left field to prove that when it comes to thinking, he would prefer to just watch a nice video: | Quote | 15
bornagain77
04/05/2010 5:32 pm
This study is interesting:
Even When Wrong, Political Experts Say They Were ‘Almost Right’
Remaining 50k words ignored. |
The conclusion: ALL SCIENCE ALL OF THE TIME!
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