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| Quote (Maya @ Dec. 15 2009,15:42) | Clivebaby doesn't need no steenkin' evidence:
Mustela Nivalis,
| Quote | | That’s a very strong claim. Do you have any objective, empirical evidence to back it up? |
Do you have any objective, empirical evidence that Mung should back it up with objective and empirical evidence? Objective and empirical evidence is not the only reasons we have for asking questions or giving answers, and your question of what is so bad about atheism is just one of these types of questions that doesn’t need empirical evidence to be asked, and shouldn’t demand any to be answered. I happen to think that this prerequisite criterion of empirical evidence is itself not empirical, so it shouldn’t demand as an answer something that it cannot produce for the grounds of its own existence. You asked the question of what is so bad about atheism, and one of the things that is so bad about it is a confused philosophical position that requires empirical evidence for everything except for itself. It confuses physics and metaphysics because it is so steeped in materialism, it forgets to turn the qualifications that it demands back on itself and doesn’t see the self-referential incoherence that results. This is one of the most obvious things that is wrong with it, it demands grounds for all other claims what it cannot give as grounds for its own claim. Saying that atheism is a false view of reality need not have any empirical evidence, just as the question “what’s wrong with being an atheist?” never had any empirical evidence to begin with. |
StephenB didn't receive the memo | Quote | | That is like saying that someone is very tall or that someone is very short, but the means for measuring height need not be objective. One can assess or measure morality only if morality is objective. If morality is not objective, then one cannot be more or less moral. That should be evident. |
BTW, wasn't UD meant to be about something called intelligent design?
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"[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God."
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