Tony M Nyphot
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| Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Nov. 19 2009,14:17) | Clive lets it all out. At once:
| Quote | | Maybe this will illustrate how science isn’t about truth, I think that you will grant that there are truths that cannot be got through any science, such as the law of non-contradiction, mathematics, etc. Science relies on logic, otherwise, if you don’t start with logic, you cannot even begin to do science. If you get rid of logic, all science goes with it. I’m sure you see my point and would agree. But the problem with calling scientific theories as truth, is that they are a different sort of inference, one which can in principle be changed, and has been changed, when more data is studied. The laws of logic and reason, in principle, will not be changed, regardless of how much data is collected. It doesn’t matter how far you go in mathematics, differential equations, etc., if the multiplication table changes, all is in ruins, and the same goes for our reason, and I would add even morality. But the outside world is the mystery, which constantly alludes us, and never explains itself. We do not discern it as we discern logic. All science can ever do is provide descriptions of things, and then we call those descriptions “natural”. What can never come is an explanation from those descriptions. But we can give an explanation for the laws of logic and reason, and why they are true. We have “inside knowledge” to the laws of reason and logic, and do not have the equivalent insight into what we call the “natural” world, because we do not perceive it, as it were, as a truth, like the law of non-contradiction. There is no equivalent insight that we possess in regards to logic and nature. Logic we understand as true, nature, we don’t. |
http://www.uncommondescent.com/neurosc....-340446 |
His writing leads me to believe he is the mutant offspring of an ungodly Canadian corporeal communion between Robert Byers and the Morphodyke.
Clive's literary mumblings blend Byer's unreadability with the shaved-dog-ass' WTF? journalism so subtly it's worth savoring.
I'd like to see Clive fight Hull on ice.
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"You could always wrap fresh fish in the paper you publish it on, though, and sell that." - Field Man on how to find value in Gary Gaulin's real-science "theory"
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